Yes, Kathy...............Steve Rybicki is the only person that I know of who is making a living breeding angelfish. I started dealing with Steve about 15 + years ago(Angels Plus.......has been advertising in FAMA for 10-15 years) His fish are absolutely tremendous. You are buying a strain not just fish from him. Two weeks ago or so the St. Petersburg Cichlid club had Steve as a speaker (we flew him down from NY)...........we never spent such good money. His talk is first class and he is a very personable fellow who understands the fish hobby.............believe me that two things happened that day: 1) it was a super time by all and 2) it was a VERY spirited auction of the angels be brought for our auction. Even though I have seen his talk I will go to his talk at the ACA convention.................First class folks!!! Yes, David.............I know who Mr. Fish is and so do you......................but like the masked man in my past memories, he shall remain nameless, although he doesn't ride a white horse and shoot silver bullets and have an Indian companion. Trust me folks while he may have a funny, weird sense of humor he knows as much about tropical fish as most any of you..........he may not be as specific as some people are but in any aquarium question panel I want him on my side...................and he knows more BIG TIME people in the Real aquarium hobby than any two of you put together.............he is a quite complicated man, he is a bit of a goof but he is also a friend of mine and I stand on that friendship................he did not give himself the "Mr. Fish" name. I will be at the ACA with bells on...........that will be a sight........................the ASG better get it's act together or I will be very disappointed again!!!!!!!!!! Mike Mike Jacobs Center for Advanced Technologies Lakewood H.S. St Pete, Fl 33705 mjacobs2@tampabay.rr.com Mailing List Archives"! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!