aren't chironomid midge larvae glassworms and not bloodworms? I am reminded this because I had an infestation of midges in my fishroom as the temperature started to rise. Presumably this came from the box of live glassworms sitting in the garage. Incidentaly, I have never had any problems with frozen worms (or any other frozen food) but I know that shipping of frozen food to retail outlets is not always carried out in a punctual manner -- thawed and re-frozen food is not a good situation I have had a parisitic infection afflicting apistos from feeding the live glassworms though. treatment with "Clout" did the trick ariel ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!