Raymond, I've bred them several times in a 10G, moderately planted aquarium. A coarse sand substrate (over kitty litter if that makes a difference) w/ 30W of standard fluorescent lighting. I used my tap water (3.5KH, 1.5 GH, pH 7.5) w/ no conditioning (it's out of a well). Temperature about 80 degrees. A light cycle of 11 hours. The only filter is a single Tetra sponge filter but the aquarium is well established and water quality is pretty good. I change about 25% every 2 weeks or so. I've gotten two sets of healthy fry from this set-up. In this tank I've bred them alone and w/ zebra danio dithers (which were quickly yanked when they started devouring fry). In both instances I kept both parents in the tank for about 2 weeks until the mother (in both cases) started treating the fry more like tank-mates than offspring (aka light snacks). I then pulled both. In each instance they laid their eggs on pieces of slate lying flat on the sand. I've also bred them in my community tank. A 29G, heavily planted tank with diy CO2. Lots of floating plants. My tap water (as described above) w/ a pH of 6.5-6.8 from the CO2. Substrate is pure Flourite. 105 watts of HO fluorescent lighting. A Whisper C power filter, no charcoal w/ a power head for circulation. CO2 injected into the intake of the Whisper. Temperature a little lower in this one, in the area of 78. Lots of tetras, other M. altispinosa, SAE, etc. Only 2 fry have ever survived this environment, despite their breeding in there almost every 2 weeks or so. They have laid eggs on slate and sword plants in this tank. I hope that helps. Michael Brock Fredericksburg, VA -----Original Message----- From: Raymond Wong [mailto:rwmw@home.com] Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 3:28 PM To: michael@fun-da-mentals.com Subject: Sexing of Mikrogeophagus Altispinosa Could you tell me the set-up you have for breeding your rams is it in a community set-up or in a sepcies tank? do u leave the male or female or take both the parents out after they lay eggs? i'd like to get some more information on different experiences.. thanks Raymond ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!