Can anyone give me any pointers on sexing A gibbiceps. I acquired 4 the other day (they were meant to bitaeniata, but the wholesaler got a little confused and thinking he had already sold all his gibbiceps called this lot bit's. :( Still waiting to see if he gets more 'real' bitaeniata) Any way.. two are obviously males, the largest is close to 4cm TL and starting to get a decent lyre tail and colouration on fins. The next biggest is about 3cm and a bit TL and also showing a slight lyre tail. The other two are about 2.5 -3 TL, the only distinct marking they show are the abdominal stripes, not sure if this is a male only or species marking. Also very happy to report my first successful N aureocephalus spawn. Female laid eggs inside a small terracotta pot in the community tank, 24 hours after laying I moved her and pot to a small tank, where she continued to look after them, wrigglers 4 days after spawning and about 20 -30 free swimming fry 8 days later - could have been a day earlier even. Fry are now (day 16) about 4mm long and show quite a dark stripe along the body. Much bigger then my A. agassizi fry at same age. Cheers Steph ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!