Hi Jay, My friend and I collected them in the Rio Negro last year. We combined both of our colonies while I was in school and they are now available as F1's (which I am currently breeding now). I am not sure whether he wants to ship them or if he prefers that you pick them up. Anyways, he is moving to Barcelos (Rio Negro) in a month, so I will likely inherit the colonies - I wouldn't mind shipping them. Let me know what you feel like doing. Ariel ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!