> thnaks for the masterful reply marco, much appreciated You are welcome. If you use them as dither fishes, I would suggest Mimagoniates lateralis for small, dwarf species (like Taeniacara candidi, A. sp. Balzfleck etc.) and M. lateralis for the other dwarf cichlid species. Cheers ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!