Kyle, As far as first food for Rams, I have never fed anything but newly hatched baby brine shrimp. My latest pair spawned twice before they learned how to take care of the eggs and fry but the male did most of the work and chased the female so I have been removing her soon after the fry are free swimming. The only dwarfs I have bred that will not eat shrimp are Dicrossus maculatus and Ctenopoma ansorgii. If you have a lot of Java moss in with them, they will also pick and it. Don ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!