Having now taken the time to look at the pics, I'll agree with Eric. The top is a male "triple red". The bottom is a female, and showing enough red-and-black pattern to also be a triple red. The middle picture is probably an immature, or "sneaker" male. He's waiting for the alpha male to kick off or get eaten by a kingfisher, so he can take over the joint. ;-) Bob Dixon ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!