Thanks for the help. Sounds like everybody agrees that the darker one is an immature male. I really like the fin colors though. As far as I understand, the triple red apistos are as 'far away' from the wild species as possible, and the wild has only a border tip of red on its dorsal? . Since the female gets chased so much, I figured it would be a good idea to get a second to ease things up a bit. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!