On the subject of ram trios... I have a trio (1 male, 2 females) of breeding rams who breed alternately almost every week (1 female one week, the other the next). You could almost tell time by them. Rams are probably the easiest fish to breed...I had a pair spawn in a bag while I was bringing them home! They're also one of the coolest fishes, in my opinion... Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!