On the subject of a trio of rams breeding, no, I never have observed that. I have breed a lot of rams but it has always been a single pair. Also, I keep some rams together in a planted 30 gallon tank and even in this group situation it's always a single pair that breed. Joe Hildreth 15 Cedar Street Potsdam,NY 13676 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!