I don't know, but it would seem to me that if you actually had a pair of these maybe-caetei-and-mybe-a-hybrid fish, and they had camillaris parasites, that strikes me as two events coinciding inconveniently. The fact that they had camillaris implies that they were, or were exposed to, wild fish before shipping to the retailer. Then you add in the fact that Raymond seems to be the only one on the list to have also had a female... My connection is-Hey! Maybe there IS a wild population of these things in some less commonly visited location. I mean, if they got these parasites from the parents, then they wouldn't have lived long enough to sex out- would they? So it seems... I don't know. Your thoughts, people? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!