Hello Vinny Is this really a reliable trait for sexing them?? A local pet shop had about 8 really nice 2 inchers and i could not tell the difference sex wise for the life of me and i've always wanted to try these guys. Now when you say both forms, i have never ever seen the green form in a shop anywhere, do they ever get around or are they really an oddball lucky catch if you do see them? John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!