You can't _believe_ how envious I am of all this talk about breeding rams etc., Where I am (Spain) the chances of getting a good quality pair of rams is like getting Mike Ditka to say someting nice:). I have 800+ litres of aquaria (500, 300 and +/-80) waiting for something even remotely interesting. All the rams I've seen have been Singapore bred and almost certainly all male (and sterile?):(. I can't get a decent cacatoo for God's sake! The only cichlids available are either Rift Valley fish, Angels or Discus (and they're, almost without exception, in poor condition). Oh well, I've just got to keep trying I suppose. Enough of my gripes. C:(lin (feeling pretty sorry for myself) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!