Mike, Take a second look at Randy's picture, mainly focus on the caudal peduncle spot and to a lesser degree on the caudal fin pattern. The "Winkelfleck" has a more irregular and rounded spot than "Masken". Also, the caudal peduncle spot in the "Masken" Apisto runs almost from top to bottom. The caudal fin in the "Masken" only has, predominantly (I say this because a few fish show more), 2 or 3 visible vertical bands while the Winkelfleck has it almost entirely banded. I just run downstairs to check on the angled spots shown in Randy's picture. I could see a few young males showing the same spots (lines). I took another look at Ingo's article and the picture of A. sp. "Masken" in pg 46 also shows 1 spot well defined and another, more faint towards the caudal peduncle. Comments? Julio ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!