Ohmygosh, I think I might have just spawned them. Can you believe it? 80ish% DI water, 20% Houston tapwater, a Carbo-Plus CO2 thingy . . . bloodworms, beef heart, filtering over peat, pH 5.0 . . . LOW LOW LOW hardness. I've got a female with bright red ventral fins who's very protective of the underside of a leaf. I can't quite see the back of the leaf, but if I recall the discussion correctly, often the freshly-spawned female's ventrals will be deep red. She'd had a single line (along the lateral line) recently, no checks; now it's back to some checks with the ventrals. Thoughts? I'm scared to look behind the leaf! Stuart -- Stuart Hall (sturob@swbell.net) (gasdocstu@my-deja.com) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!