.....in fact I better go and join the CICHLID-L list..........sounds interesting. I'll stay a lurker.........don't have a hissey fit folks.............but the scientific stuff is what interests me.........it always has since I started keeping fish and apisto's almost 40 years ago......actually 37.............but who's counting..............OK.........I'll shut up for another 3 months........... Mike Mike Jacobs Center for Advanced Technologies Lakewood H.S. St Pete, Fl 33705 mjacobs2@tampabay.rr.com Archives"! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!