Bonny, Not sure what you mean her. >I have never been able to get Rams to successfully thrive for a long life >on stable food. Thanks for the info Tim ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!