Well folks I had to share this with someone. I now have wigglers that Mom is guarding. She moved them from the original spawning site to inside a small flower pot. Mom isnt beating up dad , nor is dad making any attempt to eat the wigglers, so far!!! Keeping my fingers crossed. It would be nice to have them turn out to be really good parents. Now the Next good news, Looks like a have a bonding pair of Crenicichla Regani. I have 2 males and 3 females in a large community tank, and two have been hanging out together for the last 3 days, female is getting larger in abdomen area but hasnt turned red yet. Would it be wise now to move them to their own tank or should i wait a bit longer to see what happens? And on top of all this, you should see the pair of Nanochromis Transvestitus coloring up in that same tank as the Regani!! I need more tanks, i guess 75 isnt enough any more!! Oh no!!!!!! John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!