Thanks in advance for reading, I have a tank full of Panduro Juv's about 1"+ , I was looking at the tank and noticing the lower fins which in the adults the female carry's teh balck rays, and the male a yellow. When @ 1" or so id the fins are showing a black ray are those females for sure? Or will males be balck and fade out as older the get. Thanks again for anyone familiar. Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://www.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!