Well, I've waiting for someone to mention 5's. Of my 80 tanks , I have 15 - 5's, 25 - 10's & 24 - 12's (homemade) and I breed and keep all my Apistp's in those small tanks. Plus I always keep an entire spawn in either a 10 or 12 with no problems. Don't scare the poor girl so she won't keep Apisto's at all. I breed Cacatuoides in worse conditions than she has with good results. Lianne ~ Get a pair or trio of Cacatuoides but I do think those prices are very high. I can get lots of the more common Apisto's in pairs for those prices. Z-Man ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://www.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!