I have heard roughly the same as Dave. I have a trio of wild A. borellii "Opal" and the male has the red on the cheeks but not as much as some bred specimens from East Europe that I've seen. So it is a trait that wild borelliis have (perhaps a certain location?) that has been "improved" upon by German breeders. /Fredrik Ljungberg ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://www.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!