Thanks to David and Fredrik for the responses. I didn't look far enough to see that they are borellii...not hybrids. Kevin Korotev Milwaukee, WI USA ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://www.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!