I was infected the first time (Rams) in about '67 or '68...it went away when I went away to college...now that's a change! Caught it again just recently, cacatuoides strain. I'm up to about 8 symptoms at last count. I'm also a carrier. The cacs are prolific and the first spawn is now sexing out. I've contacted the 3 LFS and all are interested...so it looks like an epidemic is immanent. My most recent outbreak was with A. Nijsseni. I have about 40 free swimmers from my first spawn that are doing well on live BBS. Ray...just say "...take two cacatuoides and call me in the morning..." ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://www.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!