In a message dated 31/05/01 21:04:16 GMT Daylight Time, apistowise@bewellnet.com writes:(edited for brevity) > My first dwarf cichlids were a pair of Apistogramma ramirezi. Yep, they were > still apistos back then..... and were the > most beautiful Rams I have ever seen. I > haven't had Rams since then because I've > never found any that came close to >their color and hardiness. The same goes for me, Rams in the early 80's were so much better than most of the stock you get now. Having started on Rams and Aequidens curviceps I went through a big cichlid phase (Oscars, severums, angels etc) before realising that it was the natural family behaviour in (relatively) large tanks that I missed and started again with 'Aggies' and Rams. That was in 1997 or so when (at least here in the UK) dwarf cichlids were starting to become popular again. I've now kept and bred 18 spp of dwarf cichlids (except Apisto borelli, which I can't breed even after trying hard 3 times - I guess my water is too soft) Alan W ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://www.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!