Wow, these are certainly agressive fish. I posted that I had acquired a reverse trio of sp. rotpunkt. Well I noticed that the best looking male was not very nice. In fact he was so not nice that he tracked down the other male in a 125 gallon, heavily planted tank and did him in (through stress most likely as I last saw the late male when he was eating). Unfortunately it appears that the female has also been done in. She was last spotted hiding in some plants near the surface (not gasping at the surface I watched her dart out to grab food before the aggressive male nailed her). I have spotted the remains of what I think was the other male (rendered a skeleton in an amazingly short time by ghost shrimp and snails), but have never spotted the female. I did pull a large quanitity of plants from this tank, but was semi-careful about not removing any fish. My question is this, how small of space can a female use to spawn? Also, will she stay in with the eggs or will she come out to chase away fish that come near her hideout? It is remotely possible that she holed up somewhere, but I suspect the worse. Shoudl I try more females (if by small chance I find them again) or just enjoy my one (albeit spectacular) specimen of apisto? Thanks, Scott __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://www.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!