Just for information there is a fish health list just been started up on Yahoo which may be of interest to members concerned about health issues with their Apistos. The membership up to now is primarily sourced from the SACSG, so it's been mainly Cichlid problems which have been discussed, which is useful! In order to subscribe to the new group, you must send an empty message to: mailto:fish-health-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Pete ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.