Hey Vinny, Have not been able to get color bits for quite a while. I hear they had to retool their equipment because they were using meat and bone meal. On another note, Mark Whittle is back in the states and would like to speak with you and anyone else interested about his upcoming trips for collecting apistos and such. Tim ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.