Re: algodon II/cruzi

["Joe Anderson" <the_submariner@hotmail.com>]

Mike, thanks for clearing that up.  Now, I'll have to do some real research 
to see what it is that I've got.  Doesn't sound like the rare cruzi you 
mentioned.  my male had an almost orange tail, long flowing ends on all fins 
including caudal and a caudal spot.  He succumbed to death (by old age?) 
recently, but i do have one halfway decent pic.
www.aquaticlounge.aquariumplants.cx/fish.html (near bottom) if anyone is 
interested.
Joe

----Original Message Follows----
From: Mike & Diane Wise <apistowise@bewellnet.com>
Reply-To: apisto@listbox.com
To: apisto@listbox.com
Subject: Re: algodon II/cruzi
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 13:30:10 -0600

I didn't say Algodon II & A. cruzi are synonyms. I said that Algodon II 
might be
the same fish as A. sp. Putumayo. A. sp. Putumayo is one of many apistos in 
the
trade that comes in as "A. cruzi". This is actually a complex situation that
still hasn't been completely sorted out yet. Right now virtually any
eunotus-like species with abdominal stripes & coming from Peru is called "A.
cruzi" in the trade. It's hard to say which "cruzi" you have. The true A. 
cruzi,
conforming to the holotype from the Rio Mazán, is extremely rare in the 
hobby.
It is a beautiful fish with bicolored tail - the upper lobe orange & the 
lower
lobe red-streaked pale blue (see Aqualog's SAC II, p. 30, S03459-4). It 
doesn't
have as deep a body as an eunotus form, but is shaped more like 
Masken/Masked or
regani. The thing that confused us at first was that Kullander added fish 
from
the Rio Putumayo & Caquetá to his description of A. cruzi, too. These 
specimens
were poorly preserved with faint dark markings. These are the same as A. sp.
Putumayo. Better preserved specimens show that Putumayo & cruzi are 
different
species (the abdominal stripes end in different parts of the caudal 
peduncle).

Mike Wise

Joe Anderson wrote:

> If Algodon II and A.cruzi are synonyms, I may have some fry soon. Have 
four
> left in a ten from a spawning in April of some cruzi.  Another friend has 
a
> pair as well and may get some fry later in year too.
> I'll keep you posted.
> Joe
>
> ____------
>
> I haven't seen Algodon II listed for sale for over a year. The list on
> apistogramma.com that I found was just that, a list. It wasn't being 
offered
> for sale. Algodon II is similar, if not the same, to one of the 
commercial
> forms of called "A. cruzi" (=A. sp. Putumayo) (see Linke & Staeck p.
> 127;Mayland & Bork p. 56 & 57 top; and Aqualog SAC II p. 29 & 30 
SO3457-3).
> You might want to look for these. I am assuming that you aren't talking
> about Algodon I which is the same as Papagei/Parrot.
>
> Mike Wise
>
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