Re: algodon II/cruzi

[Scott <zerelli@yahoo.com>]

This is remarkably similar to the fish I have been
trying to identify. THe pet store gets them as any
number of different names that I know are incorrect
(last time they were listed as cacatouides). I get
them for around $4.


--- Joe Anderson <the_submariner@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Mike, thanks for clearing that up.  Now, I'll have
> to do some real research 
> to see what it is that I've got.  Doesn't sound like
> the rare cruzi you 
> mentioned.  my male had an almost orange tail, long
> flowing ends on all fins 
> including caudal and a caudal spot.  He succumbed to
> death (by old age?) 
> recently, but i do have one halfway decent pic.
> www.aquaticlounge.aquariumplants.cx/fish.html (near
> bottom) if anyone is 
> interested.
> Joe
> 
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: Mike & Diane Wise <apistowise@bewellnet.com>
> Reply-To: apisto@listbox.com
> To: apisto@listbox.com
> Subject: Re: algodon II/cruzi
> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 13:30:10 -0600
> 
> I didn't say Algodon II & A. cruzi are synonyms. I
> said that Algodon II 
> might be
> the same fish as A. sp. Putumayo. A. sp. Putumayo is
> one of many apistos in 
> the
> trade that comes in as "A. cruzi". This is actually
> a complex situation that
> still hasn't been completely sorted out yet. Right
> now virtually any
> eunotus-like species with abdominal stripes & coming
> from Peru is called "A.
> cruzi" in the trade. It's hard to say which "cruzi"
> you have. The true A. 
> cruzi,
> conforming to the holotype from the Rio Mazán, is
> extremely rare in the 
> hobby.
> It is a beautiful fish with bicolored tail - the
> upper lobe orange & the 
> lower
> lobe red-streaked pale blue (see Aqualog's SAC II,
> p. 30, S03459-4). It 
> doesn't
> have as deep a body as an eunotus form, but is
> shaped more like 
> Masken/Masked or
> regani. The thing that confused us at first was that
> Kullander added fish 
> from
> the Rio Putumayo & Caquetá to his description of A.
> cruzi, too. These 
> specimens
> were poorly preserved with faint dark markings.
> These are the same as A. sp.
> Putumayo. Better preserved specimens show that
> Putumayo & cruzi are 
> different
> species (the abdominal stripes end in different
> parts of the caudal 
> peduncle).
> 
> Mike Wise
> 
> Joe Anderson wrote:
> 
>  > If Algodon II and A.cruzi are synonyms, I may
> have some fry soon. Have 
> four
>  > left in a ten from a spawning in April of some
> cruzi.  Another friend has 
> a
>  > pair as well and may get some fry later in year
> too.
>  > I'll keep you posted.
>  > Joe
>  >
>  > ____------
>  >
>  > I haven't seen Algodon II listed for sale for
> over a year. The list on
>  > apistogramma.com that I found was just that, a
> list. It wasn't being 
> offered
>  > for sale. Algodon II is similar, if not the same,
> to one of the 
> commercial
>  > forms of called "A. cruzi" (=A. sp. Putumayo)
> (see Linke & Staeck p.
>  > 127;Mayland & Bork p. 56 & 57 top; and Aqualog
> SAC II p. 29 & 30 
> SO3457-3).
>  > You might want to look for these. I am assuming
> that you aren't talking
>  > about Algodon I which is the same as
> Papagei/Parrot.
>  >
>  > Mike Wise
>  >
>  >
>
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