Mike, Thanks for the info, one that has kind of colored up looks like a smargd (sp?). They are very shy so it is hard to tell, but they are a good size so they may be steindachneri. Greg ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.