Hello Yvan I can hopefully help you a little bit . I think the reason you may not have gotten a response is perhaps because the true A.jururensis is a bit elusive. Like Killie fish there seems to be allot of geographical diffrences in many Apistos. I had a A.jururensis that had allot of yellow along the flanks when I brought some in wild these were A.sp aff.jurensis. I did however get a variety of A.jururensis from Germany and it was exactly like the one commonly found in the litrature. I was succesful in breeding the wild ones but not the German Imports as I was not working with them at the time. The wild A.jururensis were very hardy and grew rather quickly. My males were huge by Apisto standards reaching over 2" easily. I didnt have any problems breeding them and they spawned in less then ideal water as I recall. The first spawn was a a surprise to me as i had them in a 30 gallon holding tank and I found a bright yellow female which was the tell tale sighn i had some eggs. I removed her cave and poured water form the tank into a 5 gallon tank and she proceded to go from there. I used my well water 15 us/cm, 5.5 pH, 0KH and 0DH with very good results but my first attempt was with a 50/50 mix of well water and tap water I dont recall the exact parameters so I cant say what it was but suffice to say they were pretty hardy. Perhaps the Tech folks could tell you the diffrences btween the diffrent forms I am a breeder so I'll let those folks deal with that boreing stuff :) One last thing Yvan once youve spawned a few Apisto's you have the basis of knowledge to pretty much spawn them all. This may sound like an oversimplication of things but when you look at it it's not too far fetched. Apisto's are pretty much cave spawners and need a very similar environment. Plants and caves for security a sandy substarte etc. The only question is really what type of water we use and honestly I just use the same water for about 90% of all Apistos. I will admit you will get some behavior anamolies in some ( male A.borellies who like to tend fry!)but as far as us breeders are concerned once we have our recepie for success we can stick with it. Good luck with your A.jururensis. Dave Sanchez --- Yvan Alleau <yalleau@OCE.ORST.EDU> wrote: > hi , > 2 weeks ago i've send an e-mail concenring A. > juruensis asking if someone > has some and knew how to breed them but never got > any answers. Is that > becuase nobody has this kind of fish? > Mine look very shy and the only "breeding" behavior > i saw was because the > female was guarding some black-warm ! ;-) > I would greatly appreciate any help > thanks > > Yvan Alleau > 712 N.W Kings Blvd > Corvallis, OR 97330 > College of Oceanic and Atmospheric Sciences > Oregon State University > office (Burt 222) # 737-3649, to be used wisely! > yalleau@oce.orst.edu > > "When you're far from everything, you're getting > closer to the essential" > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This is the apistogramma mailing list, > apisto@listbox.com. > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe > or get help, > email apisto-request@listbox.com. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.