hi Ade, i came back home and did my weekly water change in the juruensis tank. i feed them black worms, in the front of the tank, and the female who was showing some spawning attitude came right above them and started again to protect the worm!!! has anyone had the same experience? I had this way back when with a female N. anomala protecting daphnia and moving them around as her fry! take care Yvan Alleau 712 N.W Kings Blvd Corvallis, OR 97330 College of Oceanic and Atmospheric Sciences Oregon State University office (Burt 222) # 737-3649, to be used wisely! yalleau@oce.orst.edu "When you're far from everything, you're getting closer to the essential" ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.