hi david, could you please contact me off list for the riccia? ok, i'll be careful and check for any symptoms. where did you learn to do those necropsys? I did a few of those with a friend who is veterinarian specialized in fish back when in France and i must say that what was obvious for him was difficult to see for me. only after thorough description of what to be seen could i really see! Anyooo, thanks all for your help. maybe next time i'll talk about juruensis will be for good newly swimming news! take care Yvan Alleau 712 N.W Kings Blvd Corvallis, OR 97330 College of Oceanic and Atmospheric Sciences Oregon State University office (Burt 222) # 737-3649, to be used wisely! yalleau@oce.orst.edu "When you're far from everything, you're getting closer to the essential" -----Original Message----- From: owner-apisto@admin.listbox.com [mailto:owner-apisto@admin.listbox.com]On Behalf Of David Sanchez Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 12:15 PM To: apisto@listbox.com Subject: RE: A.jururensis Yvan sounds like disease may not be an imediate concern for you as they seem healthy. I will say it is my opinion all wild fish are filled with parasites! It amazes me that even healthy fish will have internal bugs of some kind. The thing is if they get stressed enough to trigger a bad out break or secoundary bacterial infections. I love wild fish and I find that they breed more readily. I only say this because having done many necropsys on various wild South American fish there is always something. So dont totaly rule that out because you never know. If we provide good water quality and a secure environment our little Apistos are pretty tough. I have riccia your welcome to it if you like. Dave --- J Miller <ruddigar_99@yahoo.com> wrote: > Yvan, > > I agree with David. It sounds like your fish are > sick. If they are > wild caught, again like David said, they probably > have a parasitic > infection. Also, depending on the holding > facilities where you got > them, they could have a bacterial infection - poor > water quality is > often a cause of this. > Until we can figure out what is the problem, I > would suggest keeping > up the water changes, and perhaps even adding an > airstone to keep the > O2 levels up. > > I pray that they'll make it. > > > > ===== > J. Miller > Edmonton, AB, Can. > > Trade aquatic plants on > The Plant Trading Board > http://www.aimoo.com/forum/freeboard.cfm?id=312188 > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This is the apistogramma mailing list, > apisto@listbox.com. > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe > or get help, > email apisto-request@listbox.com. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.