to david sanchez

["Yvan Alleau" <yalleau@OCE.ORST.EDU>]

dave,
could you please give me your e-mail?
thanks
talk to you soon

 Yvan Alleau
712 N.W Kings Blvd
Corvallis, OR 97330
College of Oceanic and Atmospheric Sciences
Oregon State University
office (Burt 222) # 737-3649, to be used wisely!
yalleau@oce.orst.edu

"When you're far from everything, you're getting closer to the essential"


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-apisto@admin.listbox.com
[mailto:owner-apisto@admin.listbox.com]On Behalf Of David Sanchez
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 12:45 AM
To: apisto@listbox.com
Subject: RE: A.jururensis


A very good fish friend of mine is a Retired scientist
and he has a little lab lab scopes everything so it's
been a way for us to further learn about our hobby.
Its not that hard to see really. Bacteria is often
seen as a mass of tiny thinbs massing around in the
gut and intestines whereas parasites really stick out
because of their size. You just need to examine the
major organs. Perhaps I take for granted what I have
learned but once youve done a couple you get the hang
of it. My frined Glen is more scientifuc about things
but for me i just need to know whether its a parasite
or bacteria etc. For us we can learn allot from just
doing some obvious looking around. The book Hand Book
of Fish diseases by TFH is a great book as well as the
companion Discus Health. Yes just contact me off list
if you want the riccia ill send you some. once you get
it going it can take over.

Dave


--- Yvan Alleau <yalleau@OCE.ORST.EDU> wrote:
> hi david,
> could you please contact me off list for the riccia?
> ok, i'll be careful and check for any symptoms.
> where did you learn to do those necropsys?
> I did a few of those with a friend who is
> veterinarian specialized in fish
> back when in France and i must say that what was
> obvious for him was
> difficult to see for me. only after thorough
> description of what to be seen
> could i really see!
> Anyooo, thanks all for your help.
> 
> maybe next time i'll talk about juruensis will be
> for good newly swimming
> news!
> take care
> 
>  Yvan Alleau
> 712 N.W Kings Blvd
> Corvallis, OR 97330
> College of Oceanic and Atmospheric Sciences
> Oregon State University
> office (Burt 222) # 737-3649, to be used wisely!
> yalleau@oce.orst.edu
> 
> "When you're far from everything, you're getting
> closer to the essential"
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-apisto@admin.listbox.com
> [mailto:owner-apisto@admin.listbox.com]On Behalf Of
> David Sanchez
> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 12:15 PM
> To: apisto@listbox.com
> Subject: RE: A.jururensis
> 
> 
> Yvan sounds like disease may not be an imediate
> concern for you as they seem healthy. I will say it
> is
> my opinion all wild fish are filled with parasites!
> It
> amazes me that even healthy fish will have internal
> bugs of some kind. The thing is if they get stressed
> enough to trigger a bad out break or secoundary
> bacterial infections. I love wild fish and I find
> that
> they breed more readily. I only say this because
> having done many necropsys on various wild South
> American fish there is always something. So dont
> totaly rule that out because you never know. If we
> provide good water quality and a secure environment
> our little Apistos are pretty tough.
> 
>  I have  riccia your welcome to it if you like.
> 
> Dave
> 
> --- J Miller <ruddigar_99@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Yvan,
> >
> >   I agree with David.  It sounds like your fish
> are
> > sick.  If they are
> > wild caught, again like David said, they probably
> > have a parasitic
> > infection.  Also, depending on the holding
> > facilities where you got
> > them, they could have a bacterial infection - poor
> > water quality is
> > often a cause of this.
> >   Until we can figure out what is the problem, I
> > would suggest keeping
> > up the water changes, and perhaps even adding an
> > airstone to keep the
> > O2 levels up.
> >
> > I pray that they'll make it.
> >
> >
> >
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> > Edmonton, AB, Can.
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