Frozen foods should be just fine. Try Frozen Red Mosquitolarvae (also called Bloodworms?), frozen Brine Shrimp or any of the small "crustaceans" - Daphnia, Cyclops. BBS (newly hatched baby brine shrimp) will work fine as a live food even for adult Apistos when you get that going - which you will need if you get fry. /Fredrik ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.