Hey Mike It doesnt get that cold down your way for us old grizzly bears to go into hibernation. Now, up here in the frozen tundra..... well not quite frozen yet... but its coming.... I might be that big ole bear that needs a good winters sleep. I dont think anyone here needs to lurk..... speak up and be heard!! Theres alot of ppl on this list that i havent heard from in quite some time.... wont mention any names Gabby....eh hemmm.. who knows.... maybe toronto has frozen over already.... it is part of the great white north, eh? Well so ppl wont think im just in a blabbing mood, has anyone ever used a 55 gallon tank for a breeder setup?? Well i just cleaned one out and put my Cacatuoide breeders into it. I have been having so much joy watching all the females pick a flower pot, turn bright yellow and see some spawning activity going on. I fear that by spring time , im going to be over run with Little Cacas.... but thats not a bad thing!! I have 1 male and 6 females set up in the tank. There are about 8 flower pots, some drift wood, floating plants and 2 pairs of killies ( epiplatys Roloffi) with a few float mops for the killies. IM hoping to get both species to be able to spawn in the this setup..... My next 55 that comes open, which is soon, once these last rift lake stuff disappears.... Im going to set up my Sp Maulbruter and see what happens... Im not getting them to spawn in smaller tanks, so maybe a 55 gallon tank with lots of space is what they need. These Maulbruters are absolutely Gorgeous. The Male is going to make a great show fish for next years ACA. Anyways.... enough yacking..... dont go and hide on us Mike!!! I'll miss some nice posts if you do! "Just Chilled" John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.