Ok here goes..... I normally keep Panduro pandurini what ever you want to call them..... in a 10 gallon tank , sometimes i use a 15 gallon tank, depends on what i have open at the moment. I use pairs as a set up..... extra females get murdered once spawning takes place..... never enough hiding spots to get away from a brooding mom. Now lets talk about breaking the rules..... minimum tank size to use..... like i suggested, a 10 gallon for a pair works well..... i have had them spawn in 5 gallon tank and raise fry in it. I do believe Zman uses alot of 5's a spawning tanks..... dont sue me if im wrong.... I have even on one occasion ( becuase i had alot of them and was curious what would happen ) seen them spawn in a 2.5 gallon tank.... this was of course after the female turned her brood coloration in a grow out tank and was ready to spawn...... wouldnt recommend this size tank to use. I have also used 20 longs..... but thats a waste of a bigger tank.... even had them spawn in a 55 grow out community tank once...... Boy was everyone else in that tank running for cover. These guys get aggressive once they are in brood mode!!! Well those are some of my experiences !! John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.