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Re: Re: hanngsloi
Boleslaw,
A.hongsloi is a member of the macmasteri group,so is A.viejita.A.hongsloi is
not a supspecies of macmasteri.
I quote Mike Wise's excellent Article "DESCRIPTION, DISTRIBUTION,AND A
PROPOSED PHYLOGENY OF APISTOGRAMMA SPECIES-GROUPS REVISITED on the
Apistogramma Study Groups website: http://user.mc.net/~warewolf/apisto.html
With so many presently known species, and the potential for the number to
expand dramatically, it's obvious why the genus Apistogramma has been broken
down into various species-groups. Meinken (1962) erected species groups
based on different eye diameters and nose lengths. Although others thought
that this was an artificial grouping (e.g. Goldstein, 1970), Meinken's
groupings remained the basis for identifying Apistogramma for almost 20
years. Kullander (1980) proposed a more natural grouping of the genus based
on many more shared characteristics. He listed 7 species-groups and several
species that were then not assignable to species-groups. Schmettkamp (1982)
was the first to recognize that each species-group had a regional
distribution. He proposed 9 species-groups plus extra, unassignable,
species. Koslowski (1985b) originally published the list of species-groups
most apistophiles use today. He also subdivided some species-groups calling
these divisions "complexes".
The macmasteri-group is closely related to the regani-group. It's
characterized by large, robust-bodied, sexually dimorphic species. Males
have moderately to highly extended, serrated, dorsal fin lappets. Caudal
fins are round to truncate with rare double tipped extensions. The lateral
band typically forms a zigzag like pattern or is broken into a series of
spots. Brooding females exhibit an intense golden yellow body checkerboarded
with black dorsal and lateral spots. Most brooding females have a ventral
stripe that extends from the chin to the vent, or at least a dark spot at
the insertion of the ventral fins. All species in the macmasteri-group have
the ancestral four infraorbital pores. Presently there are five
scientifically described and at least two, possibly more, undescribed
species in the group. There are many geographic color variants that may or
may not be distinct species. More distribution data are needed to clarify
this problem.
The species of the macmasteri-group are found exclusively within the
drainage of the Rio Orinoco and associated parts of the upper Rio Negro. In
the Rio Orinoco they are distributed from its headwaters in Colombia and
Venezuela all the way to its mouth on the Caribbean coast of Venezuela.End
of Article
I hope this helps
Max
Visit "The Digital Aquarium" and L&M Tropicals at:
http://clix.to/Apisto
From: <boleslawgawel@poczta.onet.pl>
Reply-To: apisto@listbox.com
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Subject: Re: Re: hanngsloi
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 17:39:17 +0200
Thank you all for your ansnwers,
Max, from your webside I understand that A. macmasteri is a species and
hangsloi is a variety within this species. Am I wright? From what David
Sanches writes it turns out that there are at least two varieties of
hangsloi (the normal one and the hangsloi II - a subvariety created in
Germany).
I am a little confused. Could you clarify it to me?
Thanx in advance
Boleslaw Gawel
Poland
Max Gallade <mgallade@hotmail.com> napisa³:
>Hi Boleslaw,
> I have a few pictures of A.hongsloi on my website.Click on the link
below
> and go to page three in the Galleria.I just recently bred A.hongsloi in
my
> regular through peat filtered tapwater:
> Ph 7.2,TDS(total dissolved solids) < 120ppm.This was the first spawn of
my
> pair.I only counted 8 fry so far.I know that I could have gotten a
bigger
> spawn in softer more acidic water.I'm sure that thekrib.com has some
good
> info on A.hongsloi as well.
> HTH
> Max
>
> Visit "The Digital Aquarium" and L&M Tropicals at:
> http://clix.to/Apisto
>
>
>
> >From: <boleslawgawel@poczta.onet.pl>
> >Reply-To: apisto@listbox.com
> >To: apisto@listbox.com
> >Subject: hanngsloi
> >Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 09:09:26 +0200
> >
> >Hello all,
> >can anybody help me and tell where in the net can I find
pictures/articles
> >about A. hangsloi?
> >Does anybody breed them? Your experience?
> >Thanks in advance
> >
> >Boleslaw Gawel
> >Poland
> >
> >
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