Oh Jerry Zman in his prime???? OMG....... now thats a hoot.... But seriously , i've been to ACA conventions and to OCA Extravaganzas.... I seem to have more fun at the OCA Extravaganzas. If you havent been to one... They are worth the trip. If you are going to make a one day trip... Go for the Auction on sunday.. This years ACA auction was utterly pathetic to put it kindly. OCA auctions routinely have 1100+ bags of fish. Breeders.... Juvies..... Groups..... fry... All i can say is bring several boxes and lots of money.... You come home from Cleveland with your boxes full and still have some money left... unless you're foolish like i am.... have money, can always buy more tanks to put fish into.... lol. I will be there this year..... Cleveland is only a 9 hour drive for me.... so its in the "driving" range. Plus you get the same great quality of cichlid ppl at this show/event that you do at the ACA. Only it doesnt cost as much to do the OCA as it does for the ACA. That extra savings is more money to buy fish.... Ohio is Cichlid Country!!! Zman in his prime...... Haaa ..... He's been in his prime since i've known him.. Like fine wine, Don gets better with age!!! I wont even comment on Mike J..... Oh and one last thing ..... seeing as i should mention it first, someone else will if i dont..... they have this great "blue Goop" in Cleveland. John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.