I have had similar experiences with the Scarlet Badis. It seems to be quite different from its relatives, not only in size and color, but also in spawning strategy. Mine generally spawn in a clump of Java Moss. They embrace like an anabantid when spawning, and the male then guards the general area. The eggs don't seem to be arranged, and they certainly have never gone near a cave. Zack Wilson ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.