Hey Joe, When I was keeping wild panduro, they would generally spawn for me in the following conditions: pH ~5.0 sometimes fell lower Pure RO with minimal buffering KH/GH Used Kent Marine pH Control Minus to lower the pH to 5.0 Temp. 79-80F Fed variety of live and frozen foods. One thing to watch for that I've found is to keep those DOC's and TDS's as low as possible. If water changes were allowed to slip and those got too high, brood care suffered. A lot of times I would do a big water change (50-60%) with RO water adjusted to the proper pH, and they would spawn the next day. Sounds to me like they may already be getting ready to spawn. May just be a matter of having patience, waiting for a storm or something like that. The female guards the clutch, though the males have always been good around the fry when they are free swimming, in my experience. Good luck! Zack ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.