Max Sorry some people have to be such jerks.... if they only used their talents for good things instead of hacking in and ruining peoples work, gee wouldnt this be a better place.... Sorry to hear you got raided and stuff was deleted.... even if my lowly webtv wouldnt let me open your site, i know you had good stuff there. Keep the chin up..... dont let the idiots or the %#heads as Zman called them..... get you down... John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.