Dave, I'm having a difficult time finding fluebenol..who makes it and where do you get yours? sal ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Sanchez" <barbax2@yahoo.com> To: <apisto@listbox.com> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 12:46 AM Subject: Re: Problems > From what you have described I am going to go ahead > and guess it's a parasite. Judging from the way it has > spread and the fact that the fish die slowly. Indeed > there may be secondary bacterial infections but I am > convinced it's a parasite. Probably spread by > splashing nets etc. The number one treatment for > external parasites of this kind is Fluebenol 5%. It is > very mild on the fish and very effective even killing > the eggs of any parasites. I would quarantine all the > fish number one. But don't forget to treat their tanks > or leave them out long enough for any eggs to hatch. > In the absence of Fluebenol 5% my second choice would > be a combination of malachite green and formaldehyde. > This is a bit harsh but will do the trick. Use as a > bath or if you use the quarantine tank as a prolonged > exposure for 3 days. You'll have to treat for about > two weeks though to be sure you have broken the cycle, > as the eggs may not be killed by this method. Because > the gills are being attacked I would also make sure > you have lots of aeration and I might consider adding > some methyline blue as it facilitates O2 absorption by > the gills. If the problem persists you just have to be > patient because remember you have to break the cycle > of the parasite so you must persevere. Good luck. > > Dave > > --- colingorton@eurosport.com wrote: > > Hi folks, thanks for the suggestions. I've decided > > to > > use my previous email address for the time being as > > (as Pete Liptrot said), I can't seem to find how to > > rejoin the list. If someone can send me instructions > > on how to, I'd be very grateful. > > > > Let me add some info. about my problem. I've had a > > look at the gills under a microscope and at 50x > > magnification the gills were covered in little black > > spots which when viewed at 200x mag. showed as black > > spots with lots of wavy hairs coming off them. No > > visible nucleus or anything else for that matter. > > This would appear to be very similar to the Cilliate > > (?) described in vol I of the Baensch atlas. > > Unfortunately I won't be able to give you the full > > info. until Tuesday. > > Even though I treated with Serazin (generally good > > for this sort of thing) there has been no > > improvement. The most effective treatment (it worked > > once!) was salt. Unfortunately since then my > > Crenicichla Regani female keeled over and didn't > > respond to this treatment. > > Having spoken to Pete on the phone he suggested that > > the Cilliats may be a secondary symptom, not the > > cause. I tend to agree. > > > > Water parameters: > > 0 nitrates > > 3º DH > > 3º KH > > pH between 6 and 7 > > No visible connection with water supply (some died > > after a water change, others not), municiple water > > supply RO'd, maximum of 50% water changed, at > > approx. > > once per week, some tanks haven't had many changes > > in > > the past couple of months (1 or 2). > > Heavily planted tanks, producing a lot of oxygen > > (pearling all day). Filtration is by various methods > > on different tanks but all have plentiful O2 levels, > > if anything, the tank with the least O2 is the one > > with the least problems. > > In general there is no discolouration anywhere until > > just before death when the gills sometimes lose > > colour. > > Until recently I've been feeding ONLY frozen food > > and > > the occasional lot of wild caught mosquito larvae > > from a planter outside my house or from my water > > tank > > (left open for this reason. > > Stock is generally captive bred. > > Since speaking to Pete I've tried a bactericide, but > > won't know how effective this has been until the > > next > > fish tips up its toes. > > > > C:-)lin > > > > They said "Smile, things could be worse." 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