hi dave and others, i forgot what the exact genetic relationship is between the Badis species and labyrinth-fish (Anabantoideae) but they seem to discuss it occasionally in the list i founded. for more info, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/labyrinth-fish to subscribe to the list, you can also send a message to: labyrinth-fish-subscribe@yahoogroups.com thanks. tsuh yang chen, nyc USA ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.