I don't want to prolong the Mike Jacobs/Dave Sanchez flame. But I had to laugh when this evening I went searching the Krib archive for information about the lovely viejita II I bought at the weekend and the first thing I came across was probably the start of this sorry saga - a fuss about who was selling the real viejita back in May 1999. Both Mike and Dave have been helpful to me in the past on this list so it is a shame that there is continuing bad blood. As to Teresa's rams and the relative lack of response a few new posters have been getting, I would say this list has thinned out over the past year. The old-timers have given the same advice many times so stuff like rams perhaps rather bores them. The Krib has a good archive though, as does the SACSG (where quite a few apisto list people have gone). http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sacsg/ Cheers ------------------------------------------------------------ from John McCrone ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.