Tony, I agree with the Aggie and some TLC can make a big difference. I sometimes take fish home just to see what a difference better care can do. As for the rest of your observation well sounds good but, I'm still a simple sort of guy and I do listen and ponder the things others say. In the end I have to make my own decisions. But, thanks to some of the smart guys on this list I've learned a lot. Thanks much for that and I don't ever intend to stop learning. The day I think I've arrived is the day I have a problem. JerryB ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the Apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.