But John, if we agreed to keep personal views off list, why is it that everyone is still free to say "this apisto evolved from this apisto" or somesuch like that? That is the expression of a personal view about our fish related to evolution versus creation. I have no problem with that, but why when I say something questioning that it's suddenly not alright? I don't mind if folks want to voice their opinions, but I should be allowed to speak my mind as well. I'm remaining extremely civil I think, and we can all learn if we're willing. Not everything is settled, even those coming from the evolution side can agree on that. Zack ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.