And I agree, this discussion has been very civil so far. I will commend folks on both sides for behaving like adults in this discussion. I've seen worse before on this list (in the not so far past) with absolutely no tie to our fish. Zack ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.