thanks for the info Mike J. "a day where you don't learn anything is a wasted day" : well, today is fulfilled! let's try to learn some more ! thank you all for your good posts . have a great week Yvan Alleau 712 NW Kings Blvd Corvallis, OR 97330 College of Oceanic and Atmospheric Sciences Oregon State University office (Burt 222): 737-3649, to be used wisely! home: 738-0606 PLEASE NOTE NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS: yalleau@coas.oregonstate.edu "When you're far from everything, you're getting closer to the essential" -----Original Message----- From: owner-apisto@admin.listbox.com [mailto:owner-apisto@admin.listbox.com]On Behalf Of Mike Jacobs Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 12:47 PM To: apisto@listbox.com Subject: Re: Reconstituting RO/DI Water Yvan......it is a commercial product. It's a white powder that you put into R/O water to reconstitute the stuff....only in America Yvan......buy a unit to take everything out and then buy a jar of powder to put stuff back in.........I was just kidding......some people use R/O right to add buffers and some "things" back in the R/O water. Some fish can't take a pure dose of R/O water people think........certainly not right from hard to pure R/O for sure but honestly most experienced apisto people just cut the R/O with tap water........depending on your tap water! Mike Mike Jacobs Center for Advanced Technologies High School Math Instructor St. Pete, Fl. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yvan Alleau" <yalleau@coas.oregonstate.edu> To: <apisto@listbox.com> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 2:35 PM Subject: RE: Reconstituting RO/DI Water > hi all, > several person used the word "R/O Right": what is that "right" thing? > thanks > > Yvan Alleau > 712 NW Kings Blvd > Corvallis, OR 97330 > College of Oceanic and Atmospheric Sciences > Oregon State University > office (Burt 222): 737-3649, to be used wisely! > home: 738-0606 > > PLEASE NOTE NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS: > yalleau@coas.oregonstate.edu > > "When you're far from everything, you're getting closer to the essential" > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-apisto@admin.listbox.com > [mailto:owner-apisto@admin.listbox.com]On Behalf Of Michael Kahlow > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 6:55 AM > To: apisto@listbox.com > Subject: RE: Reconstituting RO/DI Water > > > > > RO/DI water will not give accurate pH readings, either with dyes (test kits) > or electrodes. (It's one of the first things that intro chem students learn > in the lab I teach ;-) It ends up "taking on" whatever pH given to it by > the buffering capacity/acidity/alkalinity of the water/substrate you add it > to. > > I would also avoid the "Instant Ocean". If I remember my brief foray into > saltwater correctly, the saltwater salts should give a pH of about 8.3. I > don't know what they would be at the lower concentration you would be using, > but it's not what you're shooting for. Use the instant ocean for raising > your BBS. > > I've been playing around lately with the boiling peat thing as an addition > to my RO water, along with R/O Right. I boil about 2 cups of sphagnum peat, > add about 1 tsp of baking soda, which helps to extract the desirable humic > acids :) but also adds Na+ :( then add muriatic acid (HCl) if needed to > bring the pH into the 5.5 - 6.5 range. I get a couple of gallons of really > dark coffee-tinted water which I add to my 55 gallon about 1/3 gallon per > water change. May just be coincidence, but my tank has cleared from its > perpetual green water/nasty algae cycle, my pH is more stable in the acid > range, my plants are exploding, and my tetras (red minors and neons) are > spawning darned near every morning. (The rams _love_ to follow the red > minors around and pick up the eggs!) > > michael kahlow > michael.a.kahlow@uwrf.edu > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, > email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. > Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, > email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. > Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. 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